Editing User talk:Cadgiru

= OSArch Mission Statement =
IMHO Workflow centrist rather than software centrist.

Why
* <del>Produce high quality standard OpenBIM output (models) instead of relying on a proprietary formats.</del>
* Encourage high quality OpenBIM output based on open standards rather than relying on a proprietary formats.
* Minimize data loss when integrating with other software
* Maximize use of standard locations, providing ease of analysis and discovery.

How
* Integrate a multitude of specialised tools into the design and engineering process, rather than being limited to a single platform, resulting in better design, using the right tool for the job, and more flexibility of contracts.
* Reuse the model to minimise investigative works, or minimise risk during refurbishments. Just as building works expect CAD plans of existing buildings, we will expect OpenBIM models of existing buildings in the future.
* Verify building performance data, such as environmental and architectural design intentions, with the original intents recorded in the BIM model, and perform in-house big data analytics on BIM data which otherwise wouldn't be possible with proprietary BIM.
* Continue to use your BIM data well into the future with no vendor lock-in, no expensive licensing or subscripion fees, and with complete flexibility of your company's digital pipeline.


Based on Copy from [[https://blenderbim.org/why-provide-openbim-model.html|Blenderbim Why provide openbim model]]

= Promoting Standards =
Promoting standards for interoperability is absolutely the way to go. 

Standards however are never worth anything without user adoption them. Would like to propose revitalizing  STEP as a standard for storage and transfer of 2d geometry.

= Chat from Monthly Meetup Jan 9th =
lukas
started or already done?

21:06 pjanck 
What if the IFC file defines the color/material of the entity in question, e.g. an instance of IfcWall?
What is the licence of IFC.js?

21:31 
duncan
MIT 
https://wiki.osarch.org/index.php?title=AEC_Free_Software_directory#OpenBIM_Management

21:32
Rafael(bitacovir)
👏 👏 👏

21:43
pMB
Good! Bravo!

21:43
Bruno Postle
Thanks, a great presentation. IFC supports CSG objects, Boolean subtraction, complex lofting and extrusions, do you support all of this?

21:47
lukas alberts
how far away would be BCF support?

21:48
Rafael(bitacovir)
Do you plan to develop more open source software for BIM / AEC industry?

21:50
Ayo (DADA_universe)
Any specific choice for going with Three.Js? Do you see a similar implementation with Babylon.Js being done along similar lines to what you've done?

21:50
lukas alberts
CAPMO (Munich) would need it.

21:57
pjanck
ifcopenshell & xBIM both provide a geometry viewer, I think

22:02
Cyril
ifcopenshell can convert to many format

22:02
duncan
https://view.ifcopenshell.org/

22:02
Thomas
Good job guys!

22:04
duncan
https://wiki.osarch.org/index.php?title=Monthly_Meetup
https://git.mintello.com/EPFL/bimetat/wiki

22:06
lukas alberts
conformity checking to local regulations?

22:07
Ryan Schultz
https://github.com/ENAC-CNPA/BIMxBEM
i think

22:10
Cyril
@Ryan yes exactly

22:16
lukas alberts
we have colors from the homepage?

22:18
Cyril
the color and the letter lol

22:18
pjanck
Thank you guys for an informative session. Will join you next month! Good night from Europe!

22:19
duncan
bye :_)

22:20
lukas alberts
so, hurry..

22:22
Ryan Schultz
does turning off streaming video help with improving audio?

22:32
andrea
maybe add some features inside IFC.js similar to Graphisoft's BIMx? with the possibility to link a 3d model to the project sheet.

22:42
pls do

22:44
Xavier Sanchez
yes

22:44
Bruno Postle
yes go ahead

22:44
iosvarms
yes interested

22:44
Cyril
All the components that together make Blender are compatible under the newer GNU GPL Version 3. That is also the license to use for any distribution of Blender binaries.
https://www.blender.org/about/license/

22:47
Jesusbill
Dion you can stop sharing 😃

22:53
Cyril
dwg trueview 774 Mio… Autodesk…

22:55
Moult
https://opencollective.com/opensourcebim

22:59
iosvarms
I think decentralization is the way to go with regards to funding. people will donate to a product they like.
osarch supports/promotes multiple product. it makes it difficult to manage if funds come into osarch.

23:03
is there anything to be learned from 
https://www.blender.org/foundation/

23:06
Moult
peter it's a little tricky since blender has a very straightforward product to support - whereas osarch is kinda like an network

23:08
lukas alberts
good night, keep healthy

23:09
Xavier Sanchez
Thank you!

23:09
Bruno Postle
thanks all

23:09
apemann
thanks all

23:10
pMB
hi and thx for all

23:10
richie
Thanks for the presentation.
Thanks all.

23:10
iosvarms
bye

23:10
Jesusbill
great thanks

23:10
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= Chat from Monthly Meetup December 5th =
Cyril
Hi there
20:59
Ioannis @Jesusbill
hi
20:59
Andrew Peel
Hello
20:59
G-Tchahba
Hello everyone
21:01
Sam Romeo
Was Fluid Designer Based on Blender?
21:08
Cyril
I am almost sure that the answer is yes : 
https://blender-addons.org/fluid-designer/

But let Andrew answer

21:09
arquiguru
Ceilings would be great too!
Wow, love this

21:25
jamesjky
Hey Andrew, is there a 3d to 2d drawings feature in the pipeline? I thought I saw something like that on your youtube channel

21:26
G-Tchahba
Can we able to use Archipack Pro with PyClone?

21:29
arquiguru
That's great! Looks so simple also

21:33
Carlo
Really impressive

21:33
arquiguru
Where do you want to go with this? What are the next "assets"?

21:39
Sam Romeo
Can you have a BlenderBim Tab in Your Assembly Dialogue?

21:40
arquiguru
You have walls. Are you going to implement beams, slabs and columns?

21:40
G-Tchahba
Is there a 3d animation and 3D printing( Architecturale) feature in your roadmap?

21:41
arquiguru
❤️
This looks kind of similar to how Archicad works. I love it

21:42
G-Tchahba
Thank you for answers. 👍

21:42
Bas Gutwein "Baswein"
Amazing setup! Do you have any sense of the timeline for when Blender will implement the asset manager?

21:43
arquiguru
Linking scenes sounds good

21:44
Sam Romeo
Like an xref?

21:44
arquiguru
This is optimized for Eevee and Cycles, am I right?

21:45
jamesjky
hard question but good answer! 😄

21:46
arquiguru
Check out Archicad objects!

21:47
Bruno Postle
Kitchen cabinets have some standard sizes, but everything else is manufacturer-specific - do you plan to support particular manufacturers?

21:50
Carlo
I was going to ask the same Bruno

21:52
Meetlat
There is a addon that automaticly change level of detailhttps://devtalk.blender.org/t/level-of-detail-addon/12840

21:52
G-Tchahba
How to setup (draw) curved wall,door and window?

21:52
Meetlat
Types instead of instances

21:53
DADA_universe (Ayo)
I think the Blender Asset Manager is already available in Blender 2.92 Alpha. I did see a video about it.

21:54
Bas Gutwein "Baswein"
I think that the question was not so much concerned with poly count but rather too much detail that makes it seem like the design decisions have already been made. So maybe a blank style that shows only the space it takes and some other simple features.

21:55
Sam Romeo
Andrew, 
Congratulation,  as an end-user (a Builder) you make your program very usable and easy to understand, while still having the flexibility to have very advanced Parameters and Properties  customization  available and easily accessible

21:55
arquiguru
What about dynamic components. Opening, closing doors and cabinets. Is it possible?
😃

21:59
Meetlat
That looks simple!

22:07
Cyril
Thank you very much for the presentation Andrew !

22:09
Andrew Peel
Thank you!

22:09
LaurensJN
Thank you Andrew for the really nice demonstration!

22:09
Meetlat
Thanks for the presentation

22:09
Bas Gutwein "Baswein"
Thanks Andrew very exciting!

22:09
Andrew Peel
Thanks!

22:10
Carlo
Thanks, very inspiring presentation!

22:10
jamesjky
i second Ryan

22:11
Ioannis @Jesusbill
I also agree

22:11
Cyril
👍

22:11
Sam Romeo
No Probs

22:12
Bas Gutwein "Baswein"
recording is fine for me

22:12
lukas alberts
everybody can join anonymously

22:13
jamesjky
👍

22:13
arquiguru
The Twich sessions each Monday!

22:16
Ioannis @Jesusbill
yes  👍

22:16
Sam Romeo
Sorry I am new where are the Designs?

22:21
Moult
https://community.osarch.org/discussion/310/hunt-for-the-new-osarch-org-logo#latest
osarch.org
 footer has a link to the social media
https://twitter.com/OSArchOrg
https://www.linkedin.com/in/osarch-org-121505200/

22:23
Ioannis @Jesusbill
https://www.linkedin.com/company/osarch-org

22:23
Moult
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCoP6n8DdDajAM8YYDdFpQMQ

22:23
Cyril
live streaming will be available soon on Peertube

22:23
arquiguru
Sorry, I think you can share publications with a Company Page
I'm looking at this

22:25
Ioannis @Jesusbill
you can make posts but you cannot look at the posts of others and share them (I think)

22:27
Moult
footer link updated and now links to the company linkedi n page

22:27
arquiguru
You can share other people´s posts with a linkedin ¨company page¨. Just like Facebook, you find a cool post, click ¨Share¨ then select your company profile from a dropdown, and share the post as a company

22:30
Cyril
https://en.liberapay.com/about/teams

22:30
Ioannis @Jesusbill
oh ok sounds great I didn't know that 😃

22:31
arquiguru
look, Ioannis 
https://imgur.com/a/FQ1PiEV

22:32
Cyril
Example of share in FreeCAD : 
https://en.liberapay.com/FreeCAD/income/

22:32
Duncan
@Cyril yes, teams thanks

22:33
Ioannis @Jesusbill
yes yes I also tried it. Thanks. You are absolutely right

22:33
Moult
https://forum.librecad.org/New-sponsorship-and-partnership-for-LibreCAD-in-Brazil-td5718298.html

22:37
Bas Gutwein "Baswein"
QGIS does a grant funding program- they collect funds over the year and then people put in proposals 
https://blog.qgis.org/2020/07/10/qgis-grant-programme-2020-results/

22:37
jamesjky
hahaha
liked that one Dion

22:41
Moult
😄
like a charity navigator 😃

22:43
iosvarms
I think OSArch should focus on specific apps/products/addo-ns/software

22:43
jamesjky
but that would destroy the irony! 😦

22:43
iosvarms
there has to be a way  to streamline how funding is sourced. Many options and not been focused would make things difficult imo
22:46
arquiguru
Yeah, 2D is like low commitment open source. It's hard to migrate to FreeCAD or BlenderBIM but everyone is looking for Autocad alternatives because some barely use it

22:47
DADA_universe (Ayo)
We probably should build a system where OSArch developers / apps could register their projects on a dashboard that could function as a leaderboard of sorts where projects get ranked through a weighted system (involving votes from members, external validation, etc.......needs to be figured out) funds collected through LibrePay for examplle can be disbursed out quarterly based on this dashboard and the dashboard can serve other purposes as well.

22:48
arquiguru
CYPE just released a free software to make 2d floorplans from IFC files btw

22:48
Moult
arquiguru - nice...link?

22:49
arquiguru
Let me look it up
http://open-bim-layout.cype.es/
Recently they also released Cype Architecture for free 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqff1cFb0ak&ab_channel=CYPEInternational

22:51
iosvarms
exactly @ducan. very correct

22:52
Cyril
@arquiguru free as in free beer but not freedom

22:53
arquiguru
Yeah sorry I forgot to add that

22:53
Duncan
@isovarms exactly what?

22:53
iosvarms
@duncan the funders may want to donate to engineering (structural, MEP) and not architecture

22:55
Duncan
ah, okay

22:55
arquiguru
Or maybe Osarch can work as an ¨accelerator¨

22:55
lukas alberts
the open-source money has to go to open-source projects. the universities have that money. how can OSarch participate, without being an institution. Dion needs to be professor 😃

22:56
iosvarms
there are many alternatives (FLOSS)  for architects, but few for engineering and quantity surveying

22:56
Bas Gutwein "Baswein"
Here is an axample of a croudfunding campaign 
lutraconsulting.co.uk/crowdfunding/pointcloud-qgis/

22:57
DADA_universe (Ayo)
@arquiguru OSArch as an accelerator, now that's  a thought!

22:58
Cyril
👍

22:59
arquiguru
Yeah, my GF is CEO of a local incubator/accelerator for startups and I'm trying to think about something akin
OSArch as an incubator or accelarator would offer an incubation process for existing projects. They would compete for a prize/fund/grant. Pre-incubation process goes like this: business model, branding, legal stuff, and so on, and finally a pitch phase. The process ends with a Demo day, with a jury and the winner gets a prize and an incubation process where you work with mentors to further develop your project.

23:02
Moult
JanF wants to speak?

23:03
arquiguru
So Epic, Blender Foundation or whatever know they are putting their money on something real

23:03
Moult
i've got to run
running off now 😃 seeya later guys!

23:06
arquiguru
bye!

23:06
Ioannis @Jesusbill
bye

23:06
Bas Gutwein "Baswein"
https://opensourcefriday.com/

23:06
Duncan
a "Corporate Pledge"

23:08
jamesjky
Hey thanks for the great talk about your project Andrew, and the discussion everzon
gotta run, bye!

23:09
Ioannis @Jesusbill
bye

23:10
arquiguru
MyAnonamouse has that banner thing 😄

23:13
iosvarms
hahaha

23:14
arquiguru
Bye!

23:15
iosvarms
bye

23:15
Bruno Postle
bye

23:15
Bas Gutwein "Baswein"
thanks!

23:15
lukas alberts
bye

23:15
arquiguru
Thanks Andrew!!! Great work!!!
Andrew, what's your twitter handle?
Wasnt me
😄

23:16
Will do
23:16
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= Chat from Monthly Meetup November 7th =
iosvarms
Hello everyone
20:58
Ioannis @Jesusbill
Hi

21:00
Cyril
Hi there

21:00
Laurens Oostwegel
Hi

21:01
Cyril
Three vertical dots bottom right to change your name

21:02
Xavier Sanchez
Hello

21:02
Moult
does bim360's and aconex's viewer also do server side rendering?

21:41
Xavier Sanchez
It's like Home Assistant. I'm already running at my house. Very nice to learn a lot.

21:55
Thomas Kumlehn (Germany)
@maximilian please tell your it pals at htw that visiting your project site is tricky, because of a missing or bad SSL certificate

21:57
RWA108
is the recording being restarted

22:06
Ioannis @Jesusbill
yes for some reason it stopped by itself

22:07
RWA108
👍

22:07
arquiguru
Maybe a "Getting Started" section. Get Involved doesn't quite explains it

22:15
iosvarms
I think the "How to" principle for naming is the way to go.

22:17
arquiguru
That's more user centered, yes. Basics of UX Design: what questions they are asking, what challenges are they facing, what would be a win for the user? (How to...)

22:18
Xavier Sanchez
I just discovered the wiki. Very interesting information there.

22:21
Duncan
Here's an example of the Cameleon skin for mediawiki: 
https://secret-wiki.de/wiki/Hauptseite
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Chameleon

22:22
arquiguru
Regarding Stackoverflow web design, there's a site that uses the same format (voting system, etc) and focuses on BIM (mostly Revit though), it's called 
upclash.com
 (spanish only). Justf FYI. I don't know if this is any better than a forum format

22:24
Moult
making a list since i'm forgetting: 1) reskin wiki with colours and funky graphics! 2) use "how to" terminology to rename articles, 3) create new workflow category, 4) new page about introductory /generic FOSS tools like libreoffice
please reach out to any academic institution you have connections to, and point them to OSArch - we can see how we can collaborate

22:26
Duncan
@Moult we have a workflow category 
https://wiki.osarch.org/index.php?title=Category:Workflow_Example

22:26
Moult
nice! didn't see that

22:26
Duncan
list of categories: 
https://wiki.osarch.org/index.php?title=Category:Categories

22:26
Moult
btw blenderbim/freecad now being introduced in Achen University (sp?)
i sent out an email to bond university (first bim course in australia) yesterday
i sent one to sydney university about half a year ago and was ignored 😃

22:28
arquiguru
@Moult what's the "speech" when reaching out academic institutions?

22:28
Moult
@arquiguru i didn't have one, since I had contacts at both, so it was casual 😃

22:29
iosvarms
you need to have some sort of relationship to get academics to listen to things like that 😃

22:30
arquiguru
I'm asking because I used to teach at our national faculty and I have reach too. They are fans of QGis but then also encourage the use of Rhino and stay away from Blender for some reason (maybe they don't know it)

22:30
Cyril
Can you write done the name of the platform you talk about Duncan ?

22:31
Moult
EdX

22:31
Duncan
edX & Moodle

22:32
Cyril
Thanks

22:32
Duncan
https://open.edx.org/

22:32
arquiguru
About academia: I've been eyeing this for a while. I think this is the sort of things that are essential to conquer academia 
https://cgcookie.com/articles/introducing-the-cg-cookie-blender-curriculum

22:35
Moult
@arquiguru that's a great link! Please post it in the forum thread so we don't lose track

22:36
Ioannis @Jesusbill
very nice really

22:37
arquiguru
I completed the form but never received the curriculum so I'm not sure but I think stuff like this is essential to "sell" OSArch to Universities. I will post it in the forum

22:38
Moult
hehehehe "the less markety the website, the more i trust the foss" 😃 that's my rule of thumb

22:38
Duncan
😄

22:40
Maybe a BlenderBim Meetup is overdue?

22:42
Duncan
here's the page on Matrix: 
https://app.element.io/#/room/#freenode_##architect:matrix.org

22:43
Moult
https://blenderbim.org/community.html
http://webchat.freenode.net/##architect
agree! 😃
is somebody keeping notes of the conclusions from thi smeeting? there's very good ideas and i hope we don't forge tthem!

22:46
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arquiguru
what happened in june wow
and what happened in oct 4
Yes. Go openbim. Go opensource
😄

= Chat from Monthly Meetup September 5th =
Duncan
HI everyone!
https://wiki.osarch.org/index.php?title=User_talk:JanF

21:56
comment to loannis, before we leave the topic

22:15
Ioannis
sure

22:18
waitibg to but in

22:19
Cyril
Hi, I wasn't able to join on time.

22:28
Bruno Postle
Hi I could show you a project I have been working on with Blender Sverchok

22:29
Cyril
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I think :
* An organisation should be setup
* This organisation should be set in a country which not fear patent trolls (not US etc…)

22:44
osArch banner page... The Open-Source Architecture Community brings together like-minded users and developers who share a common goal: that the built environment can be designed, constructed, operated, and recycled with (free software) Open Source, increased transparency, and a more ethical approach.

22:51
Duncan
osgeo

22:58
lukas alberts
we need to share the work on several shoulders.. and somewhen this will cost.
we can run osarch as is..and parallely have some official organisation..which could collect fundings and take care of the back-office of osarch.
start with some legal text , then one will see who adheres.

23:06
comment... Often find more in community page.. Think Useful information on community should be Extracted and organized in the wiki. If organized, MediaWiki should be able to cater for all these needs...

23:12
lukas alberts
how much is the website.. how much is a database with search engine..  it is all about the good search engine..

23:12
Ioannis
YouTube video from Dion's channel on SVG construction documentation - Work In Progress
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn_x4mi77cg

23:16
Cyril
These project will help to build a complete workflow :
* 
https://community.osarch.org/discussion/197/funding-open-source-development-a-stab-at-an-open-and-distributed-method-of-profit-sharing

* 
https://community.osarch.org/discussion/199/demonstration-of-blenderbim-add-on-used-to-produce-house-alteration-drawings

23:19
@duncan  👍
Categories 👍

23:24
Duncan
👍
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And would not having detailed examples of such workflows (detailed Tutorials)  be a natural part of such a wiki...

23:29
Cyril
I'll open pages for workflows for building energy modeling and HVAC. Describing theoritical workflows and fill actual workflow over time.

23:29
Off Topic opinion... Blender has a  more creative approach than  most CAD or BIM authoring Tools.. 
Implementing a Bim workflow in blender makes sense from this point of view.

23:32
lukas alberts
orange3, dataminig tool, may help sorting categories.
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 Off Topic opinion... Blender has a  more creative approach than  most CAD or BIM authoring Tools..
 Implementing a Bim workflow in blender makes sense from this point of view.